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		<title>Comment on Open Letter to Oakland elected officials by Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2012/02/02/open-letter-to-oakland-elected-officials/#comment-66352</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 06:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you David for the cogent arguments for proper policing and moreover proper municipal governance, oversight and support of said policing.  The latter is sorely lacking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you David for the cogent arguments for proper policing and moreover proper municipal governance, oversight and support of said policing.  The latter is sorely lacking.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter to Oakland elected officials by Erin Oliver</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2012/02/02/open-letter-to-oakland-elected-officials/#comment-66332</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 02:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for this. It has been really, really distressful to me to watch the entire country loose their mind about last saturday. They don&#039;t know what it is like in Oakland. I fear the worst again for what will happen tonight and can only hope that the occupiers will be allowed to proceed with the non violent march that they have planned to protest the treatment received last weekend. 

The lawsuits alone from all of this will bankrupt the city if this does not stop and frankly if you look at the actual crime rate going down, the community services provided the occupation does a valuable service and should be worked with. I can only hope that more people will speak out and talk about the hostile behavior towards the police and why that makes oakland a different circumstance all around than anywhere in the US. These occupiers were not here for any sort of personal gain. They were dedicated to the cause, and now they are scared for their lives but will not back down. I can&#039;t imagine why the US doesn&#039;t understand the Middle Eastern Warfare climate it has turned into for an unknown reason. 

But thank you for this. It is nice to actually have the truth put out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this. It has been really, really distressful to me to watch the entire country loose their mind about last saturday. They don&#8217;t know what it is like in Oakland. I fear the worst again for what will happen tonight and can only hope that the occupiers will be allowed to proceed with the non violent march that they have planned to protest the treatment received last weekend. </p>
<p>The lawsuits alone from all of this will bankrupt the city if this does not stop and frankly if you look at the actual crime rate going down, the community services provided the occupation does a valuable service and should be worked with. I can only hope that more people will speak out and talk about the hostile behavior towards the police and why that makes oakland a different circumstance all around than anywhere in the US. These occupiers were not here for any sort of personal gain. They were dedicated to the cause, and now they are scared for their lives but will not back down. I can&#8217;t imagine why the US doesn&#8217;t understand the Middle Eastern Warfare climate it has turned into for an unknown reason. </p>
<p>But thank you for this. It is nice to actually have the truth put out there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Barney Frank on Occupy Wall Street by Jim Burgardt</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2011/12/15/barney-frank-on-occupy-wall-street/#comment-66184</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Burgardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether the Occupy movement has had any effect or not depends on a person&#039;s perspective.  Did it have an effect on the public conscience by raising issues of inequality, inequity, and iniquity?  The answer to that is a resounding YES!  However,it has not had much of an effect on changing things in Washington.  So far, there has been a whole lot of talk, but no meaningful action or results.

We have seen many bills introduced in Congress that may have been triggered by the Occupy movement, but most of them are aimed only at reversing the effect of the Citizens United ruling regarding corporate personhood and equating money to free speech.  These bills are now all languishing in committee, and we don&#039;t know if they will ever see the light of day on the floor of Congress.  Even if they did and one of them got passed, this doesn&#039;t even scratch the surface of what needs to be done.  I view this as tossing a bone at a dog to keep him from barking (or biting).  These proposals are little more than a temporary appeasement and returns the subject of excessive private money in politics back to the corrupting business as usual that existed before the CU ruling.

The Occupy demonstrations have succeeded in attracting attention (both positive and negative), but that is about all.  Unfortunately, the attention the Occupy movement has been getting recently has been quite negative, and their message is now being drowned out by the actions and influence of Black Bloc anarchists who favor and promote insurrection to peaceful demonstrations.

The demonstrations should not be confused with getting results that attack the root of the problems in our country.  

I still favor resolving the problems and injustices raised by the Occupy movement, but I no longer support their tactics.  I have addressed this and many other related issues in my own blog at http://restoringdemocracy.blogspot.com/, if anybody is interested in perusing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether the Occupy movement has had any effect or not depends on a person&#8217;s perspective.  Did it have an effect on the public conscience by raising issues of inequality, inequity, and iniquity?  The answer to that is a resounding YES!  However,it has not had much of an effect on changing things in Washington.  So far, there has been a whole lot of talk, but no meaningful action or results.</p>
<p>We have seen many bills introduced in Congress that may have been triggered by the Occupy movement, but most of them are aimed only at reversing the effect of the Citizens United ruling regarding corporate personhood and equating money to free speech.  These bills are now all languishing in committee, and we don&#8217;t know if they will ever see the light of day on the floor of Congress.  Even if they did and one of them got passed, this doesn&#8217;t even scratch the surface of what needs to be done.  I view this as tossing a bone at a dog to keep him from barking (or biting).  These proposals are little more than a temporary appeasement and returns the subject of excessive private money in politics back to the corrupting business as usual that existed before the CU ruling.</p>
<p>The Occupy demonstrations have succeeded in attracting attention (both positive and negative), but that is about all.  Unfortunately, the attention the Occupy movement has been getting recently has been quite negative, and their message is now being drowned out by the actions and influence of Black Bloc anarchists who favor and promote insurrection to peaceful demonstrations.</p>
<p>The demonstrations should not be confused with getting results that attack the root of the problems in our country.  </p>
<p>I still favor resolving the problems and injustices raised by the Occupy movement, but I no longer support their tactics.  I have addressed this and many other related issues in my own blog at <a href="http://restoringdemocracy.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://restoringdemocracy.blogspot.com/</a>, if anybody is interested in perusing them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter to Oakland elected officials by David</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2012/02/02/open-letter-to-oakland-elected-officials/#comment-66145</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, folks.

Wordnerd: As you know, I agree, which is why I stress leadership and accountability (and call for Quan&#039;s resignation several times a week). OPD&#039;s problems long pre-date Quan or Chief Jordan, and I recognize that Oakland, with its high rate of violent crime and long history of antagonism between residents and the police, presents special challenges for the police, but something has to change, and fast. The likelihood that OPD will be taken out of the city&#039;s control within months or even weeks obviously complicates matters greatly.

Susan Mernit: I guess that&#039;s the million dollar question. I haven&#039;t read up yet on the changes Chief Jordan made to his command staff on Thursday, but perhaps that shuffling is an effort at accountability of some kind, or at least an effort to improve performance going forward. As for where Occupy Oakland goes from here...who knows? I have some guesses (some hopeful, some depressing), but I really don&#039;t know enough about the debates and discussions going on among occupiers (and wow, there sure are some debates and discussions going on!) to speculate here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, folks.</p>
<p>Wordnerd: As you know, I agree, which is why I stress leadership and accountability (and call for Quan&#8217;s resignation several times a week). OPD&#8217;s problems long pre-date Quan or Chief Jordan, and I recognize that Oakland, with its high rate of violent crime and long history of antagonism between residents and the police, presents special challenges for the police, but something has to change, and fast. The likelihood that OPD will be taken out of the city&#8217;s control within months or even weeks obviously complicates matters greatly.</p>
<p>Susan Mernit: I guess that&#8217;s the million dollar question. I haven&#8217;t read up yet on the changes Chief Jordan made to his command staff on Thursday, but perhaps that shuffling is an effort at accountability of some kind, or at least an effort to improve performance going forward. As for where Occupy Oakland goes from here&#8230;who knows? I have some guesses (some hopeful, some depressing), but I really don&#8217;t know enough about the debates and discussions going on among occupiers (and wow, there sure are some debates and discussions going on!) to speculate here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter to Oakland elected officials by susan mernit</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2012/02/02/open-letter-to-oakland-elected-officials/#comment-66131</link>
		<dc:creator>susan mernit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 07:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for such an articulate analysis. Where do we go from here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for such an articulate analysis. Where do we go from here?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter to Oakland elected officials by Dirk von der Horst</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2012/02/02/open-letter-to-oakland-elected-officials/#comment-66117</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk von der Horst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter to Oakland elected officials by wordnerd</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2012/02/02/open-letter-to-oakland-elected-officials/#comment-66105</link>
		<dc:creator>wordnerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems clear after reading your letter that the fault lies with the leadership of the OPD and thus ultimately with the mayor. The rank and file are clearly out of control at times, but they suffer from misdirection or no direction from above. The problem doesn&#039;t seem insoluble, but the mayor has got to get to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems clear after reading your letter that the fault lies with the leadership of the OPD and thus ultimately with the mayor. The rank and file are clearly out of control at times, but they suffer from misdirection or no direction from above. The problem doesn&#8217;t seem insoluble, but the mayor has got to get to work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter to Oakland elected officials by Matthew L Kees</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2012/02/02/open-letter-to-oakland-elected-officials/#comment-66032</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew L Kees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The Security Council must act and make clear to the Syrian regime that the world community views its actions as a threat to peace and security,” Clinton said before heading to New York.

“The status quo is unsustainable,” she said. “The longer the Assad regime continues its attacks on the Syrian people and stands in the way of a peaceful transition, the greater the concern that instability will escalate and spill over throughout the region.”

Replace Syria with Oakland and Assad with Quan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The Security Council must act and make clear to the Syrian regime that the world community views its actions as a threat to peace and security,” Clinton said before heading to New York.</p>
<p>“The status quo is unsustainable,” she said. “The longer the Assad regime continues its attacks on the Syrian people and stands in the way of a peaceful transition, the greater the concern that instability will escalate and spill over throughout the region.”</p>
<p>Replace Syria with Oakland and Assad with Quan.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Barney Frank on Occupy Wall Street by John A. Abel</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2011/12/15/barney-frank-on-occupy-wall-street/#comment-64815</link>
		<dc:creator>John A. Abel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked at Mass board of higher education as one of my co-op jobs for Northeastern back in the late 70&#039;s and one of the guys there introduced me to Barney one day near the Statehouse.I had no idea who he was at the time and he was in the early stages of his career but I was impressed by his being sincere and really being in touch with what was going on.This was when Ed King was gov .Fun time to be the brutal fixer the board sent to the Statehouse to request things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked at Mass board of higher education as one of my co-op jobs for Northeastern back in the late 70&#8242;s and one of the guys there introduced me to Barney one day near the Statehouse.I had no idea who he was at the time and he was in the early stages of his career but I was impressed by his being sincere and really being in touch with what was going on.This was when Ed King was gov .Fun time to be the brutal fixer the board sent to the Statehouse to request things.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Public Works&#8230;Works! by doug</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2011/09/22/public-works-works/#comment-62146</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey glad to see you are posting again, your blend of city planning geekery and aesthetic discourse often hits the spot for me.

thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey glad to see you are posting again, your blend of city planning geekery and aesthetic discourse often hits the spot for me.</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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