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	<title>Comments on: Hell Hath No Fury Like a Parker Scorned</title>
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		<title>By: ruth gutmann</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2009/07/19/hell-hath-no-fury-like-a-parker-scorned/#comment-4420</link>
		<dc:creator>ruth gutmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, I agree. If I think of what is currently going on in the media and at the so-called town hall meetings to explain the health care reform, I am trying to understand what these worries about  car parking problems mean.  Perhaps it is a way of not worrying about what truly matters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, I agree. If I think of what is currently going on in the media and at the so-called town hall meetings to explain the health care reform, I am trying to understand what these worries about  car parking problems mean.  Perhaps it is a way of not worrying about what truly matters?</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2009/07/19/hell-hath-no-fury-like-a-parker-scorned/#comment-4404</link>
		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, obviously a lot of people care.  I just wanted to speak up for those of us who don&#039;t care that much, or who wish that parking weren&#039;t the number one issue in our cities.  My city councilor told me that he gets more constituent complaints, advice, etc. about parking than about anything else.

Insofar as I care, I agree with you.  Free parking has not helped our country.  One pernicious knock-on effect is that as people get so USED to free parking, any slight increase in meter fees or increase in hassle seems to them to be a major infringement of their civil rights.  My civil rights, on the other hand, feel infringed when I&#039;m in the suburbs and can&#039;t walk anywhere...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, obviously a lot of people care.  I just wanted to speak up for those of us who don&#8217;t care that much, or who wish that parking weren&#8217;t the number one issue in our cities.  My city councilor told me that he gets more constituent complaints, advice, etc. about parking than about anything else.</p>
<p>Insofar as I care, I agree with you.  Free parking has not helped our country.  One pernicious knock-on effect is that as people get so USED to free parking, any slight increase in meter fees or increase in hassle seems to them to be a major infringement of their civil rights.  My civil rights, on the other hand, feel infringed when I&#8217;m in the suburbs and can&#8217;t walk anywhere&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dc</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2009/07/19/hell-hath-no-fury-like-a-parker-scorned/#comment-4384</link>
		<dc:creator>dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently a lot of people, judging by how much the Great Parking War of 2009 has dominated media/government/business discourse in Oakland for the past few weeks! Or at least an extremely vocal minority cares a great deal, and has no plans to quiet down anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently a lot of people, judging by how much the Great Parking War of 2009 has dominated media/government/business discourse in Oakland for the past few weeks! Or at least an extremely vocal minority cares a great deal, and has no plans to quiet down anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2009/07/19/hell-hath-no-fury-like-a-parker-scorned/#comment-4378</link>
		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my God.  Who cares!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my God.  Who cares!?</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2009/07/19/hell-hath-no-fury-like-a-parker-scorned/#comment-4081</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max-  I totally disagree with your point.  Why should everyone have to pay a higher car registration vs. only ticketing law breakers?  I live in West Oakland and was pretty happy to see a lot of those tickets-on the windshields of double-parkers that make my street impossible to navigate through, etc.  I can understand the shock when the police have not enforced rules in the past, but I am happy to see them enforced now.

As for the increase in parking, if it means finding a spot easier when running errands, etc, I don&#039;t mind.  And after living without a car in SF for 6 years I do still tend to think like a pedestrian/public transit-rider and say &quot;screw the drivers&quot; but after attempting to take AC Transit a few times, especially with kid in tow, I know how impossible it can be.  In fact, my kid&#039;s school, my husband&#039;s work and our house all are within a couple blocks of the #19 and I have often thought how convenient it should be to take the bus... However, it never follows a schedule, its way more expensive than driving, my bus stop isn&#039;t safe and the bus is often filled with sleeping folk whom I wouldn&#039;t want to share a bus with.  These are the things that need to be addressed before I get out of my car, not parking prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max-  I totally disagree with your point.  Why should everyone have to pay a higher car registration vs. only ticketing law breakers?  I live in West Oakland and was pretty happy to see a lot of those tickets-on the windshields of double-parkers that make my street impossible to navigate through, etc.  I can understand the shock when the police have not enforced rules in the past, but I am happy to see them enforced now.</p>
<p>As for the increase in parking, if it means finding a spot easier when running errands, etc, I don&#8217;t mind.  And after living without a car in SF for 6 years I do still tend to think like a pedestrian/public transit-rider and say &#8220;screw the drivers&#8221; but after attempting to take AC Transit a few times, especially with kid in tow, I know how impossible it can be.  In fact, my kid&#8217;s school, my husband&#8217;s work and our house all are within a couple blocks of the #19 and I have often thought how convenient it should be to take the bus&#8230; However, it never follows a schedule, its way more expensive than driving, my bus stop isn&#8217;t safe and the bus is often filled with sleeping folk whom I wouldn&#8217;t want to share a bus with.  These are the things that need to be addressed before I get out of my car, not parking prices.</p>
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		<title>By: dc</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2009/07/19/hell-hath-no-fury-like-a-parker-scorned/#comment-4040</link>
		<dc:creator>dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to all for the comments -- interesting range of thoughts on the issue. In case anyone didn&#039;t see it, Allen Michaan, the owner of the Grand Lake Theater, has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2009-07-23/article/33397?headline=Commentary-A-Death-Sentence-for-Oakland-Businesses&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;spelled out his argument more fully&lt;/a&gt; in a Berkeley Daily Planet op-ed. He repeats the &quot;municipal mugging&quot; line that he used in the CBS5 report that I linked to in the post, and he also implies that opponents of the new meter hours/fees might try to recall the entire city council.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all for the comments &#8212; interesting range of thoughts on the issue. In case anyone didn&#8217;t see it, Allen Michaan, the owner of the Grand Lake Theater, has <a href="http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2009-07-23/article/33397?headline=Commentary-A-Death-Sentence-for-Oakland-Businesses" rel="nofollow">spelled out his argument more fully</a> in a Berkeley Daily Planet op-ed. He repeats the &#8220;municipal mugging&#8221; line that he used in the CBS5 report that I linked to in the post, and he also implies that opponents of the new meter hours/fees might try to recall the entire city council.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max, It&#039;s not just the poor in West Oakland. The first place the parking police went after was solidly middle class in the Lakeshore area of the lower hills.

Ralph, You can start driving to Grand Lake again, there is always plently of paring now that they raised the rate. Don&#039;t know what the actual impact on business is yet, but it&#039;s not looking good.

I would guess that the parking in Lakeshore/Grand Lake is 25 to 50% empty these days. The city has overshot on the meter rates, and I suspect that they may actually be taking in less money than they did before the increase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, It&#8217;s not just the poor in West Oakland. The first place the parking police went after was solidly middle class in the Lakeshore area of the lower hills.</p>
<p>Ralph, You can start driving to Grand Lake again, there is always plently of paring now that they raised the rate. Don&#8217;t know what the actual impact on business is yet, but it&#8217;s not looking good.</p>
<p>I would guess that the parking in Lakeshore/Grand Lake is 25 to 50% empty these days. The city has overshot on the meter rates, and I suspect that they may actually be taking in less money than they did before the increase.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The meter fees aren&#039;t the problem.  The fines are the problem.  Ant the way they&#039;re bing handed out is the problem.  The parking enforcement folks went on an aggressive blitz through West Oakland recently, targeting tiny infractions that nobody ever had been ticketed for previously.  

The City of Oakland was broke and hungry, so it decided to eat the poor.  CHP has been doing the same thing, towing people for offenses that ordinarily wouldn&#039;t get more than a warning or a fix it ticket.  

The fines are nothing more than a regressive, somewhat random car tax.  I would be fine with a regressive once a year car tax!  I&#039;d gladly pay $400 a year for registration if I didn&#039;t have to deal with as many random tickets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The meter fees aren&#8217;t the problem.  The fines are the problem.  Ant the way they&#8217;re bing handed out is the problem.  The parking enforcement folks went on an aggressive blitz through West Oakland recently, targeting tiny infractions that nobody ever had been ticketed for previously.  </p>
<p>The City of Oakland was broke and hungry, so it decided to eat the poor.  CHP has been doing the same thing, towing people for offenses that ordinarily wouldn&#8217;t get more than a warning or a fix it ticket.  </p>
<p>The fines are nothing more than a regressive, somewhat random car tax.  I would be fine with a regressive once a year car tax!  I&#8217;d gladly pay $400 a year for registration if I didn&#8217;t have to deal with as many random tickets.</p>
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		<title>By: ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>every so often, people need to be hit on the head with an anvil. thanks for being that person with the anvil. 

i know not why the eco-friendly peeps of Oakland think that it makes more sense to drive to the burbs rather than pay the additional time but what do i know i walk to grand lake because i don&#039;t think it makes sense to drive around looking for non-existent parking. 

i&#039;ve no idea why people don&#039;t understand the benefit of turnover. if the stores are open until 8 or 9 and parking stops at 6, the problem should be self evident.

aren&#039;t parking fees already used to pay for improvements in the neighborhood collected. 

and if the city never collected a penny from the fines because people actually followed the law versus lack of enforcement, i won&#039;t complain as people are actually doing what i want them to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>every so often, people need to be hit on the head with an anvil. thanks for being that person with the anvil. </p>
<p>i know not why the eco-friendly peeps of Oakland think that it makes more sense to drive to the burbs rather than pay the additional time but what do i know i walk to grand lake because i don&#8217;t think it makes sense to drive around looking for non-existent parking. </p>
<p>i&#8217;ve no idea why people don&#8217;t understand the benefit of turnover. if the stores are open until 8 or 9 and parking stops at 6, the problem should be self evident.</p>
<p>aren&#8217;t parking fees already used to pay for improvements in the neighborhood collected. </p>
<p>and if the city never collected a penny from the fines because people actually followed the law versus lack of enforcement, i won&#8217;t complain as people are actually doing what i want them to do.</p>
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		<title>By: ng</title>
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		<dc:creator>ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David: Encouraging people to walk and bike doesn&#039;t mean driving is prohibited.  If people drove only when they needed to lug big stuff, they&#039;d find parking easy, and everyone would feel healthier.  (And kids can be good walkers and bikers too, so families are certainly included.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: Encouraging people to walk and bike doesn&#8217;t mean driving is prohibited.  If people drove only when they needed to lug big stuff, they&#8217;d find parking easy, and everyone would feel healthier.  (And kids can be good walkers and bikers too, so families are certainly included.)</p>
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