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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2009/04/03/love-at-first-sight/#comment-1282</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mike, DC -

I think the main reason for both on one side like that (this is ignoring the standard, in-street lane) is that the protected lane also runs directly to the Bay Farm Island Bridge bike/pedestrian bridge, which is on the same side of the road. There seems to have (miraculously?) been some forethought and the planners decided to: 1) make it easier for the kids at the school to use the lanes; 2) make it easier for cyclists to get between the BFI bridge and the High Street bridge (part of my afternoon commute, actually); and 3) limit the number of crossings needed on a major road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mike, DC -</p>
<p>I think the main reason for both on one side like that (this is ignoring the standard, in-street lane) is that the protected lane also runs directly to the Bay Farm Island Bridge bike/pedestrian bridge, which is on the same side of the road. There seems to have (miraculously?) been some forethought and the planners decided to: 1) make it easier for the kids at the school to use the lanes; 2) make it easier for cyclists to get between the BFI bridge and the High Street bridge (part of my afternoon commute, actually); and 3) limit the number of crossings needed on a major road.</p>
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		<title>By: dc</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2009/04/03/love-at-first-sight/#comment-917</link>
		<dc:creator>dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter: Thanks. And in fact &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=s&amp;lat=37.751846&amp;lon=-122.233148&amp;zoom=21&amp;q1=fernside%2520blvd%2520and%2520otis%2520drive%252C%2520alameda%252C%2520ca&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the satellite view available at Yahoo Maps&lt;/a&gt; is even older than the satellite or street view that Google Maps has, so you can really trace the full history of the street. Here&#039;s a bird&#039;s eye &quot;before&quot; image of that stretch of road when it had four car lanes and no bike lanes at all:

&lt;center&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/fernsid2.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;/center&gt;

And here&#039;s the street view image from your link when it had more run-of-the-mill bike lanes:

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter: Thanks. And in fact <a href="http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=s&#038;lat=37.751846&#038;lon=-122.233148&#038;zoom=21&#038;q1=fernside%2520blvd%2520and%2520otis%2520drive%252C%2520alameda%252C%2520ca" rel="nofollow">the satellite view available at Yahoo Maps</a> is even older than the satellite or street view that Google Maps has, so you can really trace the full history of the street. Here&#8217;s a bird&#8217;s eye &#8220;before&#8221; image of that stretch of road when it had four car lanes and no bike lanes at all:</p>
<p><center><img src="http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/fernsid2.jpg"/></center></p>
<p>And here&#8217;s the street view image from your link when it had more run-of-the-mill bike lanes:</p>
<p><center><img src="http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/fernside.jpg"/></center></p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2009/04/03/love-at-first-sight/#comment-914</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks! here&#039;s the google maps street view &#039;before&#039; picture:

http://tinyurl.com/cetard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks! here&#8217;s the google maps street view &#8216;before&#8217; picture:</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/cetard" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/cetard</a></p>
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		<title>By: wordnerd</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2009/04/03/love-at-first-sight/#comment-830</link>
		<dc:creator>wordnerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 11:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about cellphone-only lanes, for pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers (SUV&#039;s preferred) who are also on the phone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about cellphone-only lanes, for pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers (SUV&#8217;s preferred) who are also on the phone?</p>
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		<title>By: dc</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2009/04/03/love-at-first-sight/#comment-821</link>
		<dc:creator>dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 04:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruth: The Hannover situation doesn&#039;t sound like a true shared space, since the pedestrian area and the bike lane were distinct. For the shared space theory to really be tested, you would need a space with no divisions at all, including differently colored surfaces. Once you divide the space into a &quot;walking lane&quot; and a &quot;biking lane,&quot; then people will inevitably get territorial about &quot;their&quot; lane.

The only widespread examples of shared spaces that I can think of in the US are a lot of college campuses, where cyclists and pedestrians really do share the paths and plazas. There are a few reckless bikers here and there, and pedestrians who aren&#039;t used to being around bikes sometimes get nervous, but for the most part sharing those spaces on campuses seems to work very well, in my experience. Bikes slow down to negotiate their way through the pedestrians, and pedestrians get used to having cyclists in their midst. And people watch where they are going for once in their lives!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruth: The Hannover situation doesn&#8217;t sound like a true shared space, since the pedestrian area and the bike lane were distinct. For the shared space theory to really be tested, you would need a space with no divisions at all, including differently colored surfaces. Once you divide the space into a &#8220;walking lane&#8221; and a &#8220;biking lane,&#8221; then people will inevitably get territorial about &#8220;their&#8221; lane.</p>
<p>The only widespread examples of shared spaces that I can think of in the US are a lot of college campuses, where cyclists and pedestrians really do share the paths and plazas. There are a few reckless bikers here and there, and pedestrians who aren&#8217;t used to being around bikes sometimes get nervous, but for the most part sharing those spaces on campuses seems to work very well, in my experience. Bikes slow down to negotiate their way through the pedestrians, and pedestrians get used to having cyclists in their midst. And people watch where they are going for once in their lives!</p>
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		<title>By: ruth gutmann</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2009/04/03/love-at-first-sight/#comment-812</link>
		<dc:creator>ruth gutmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the permission to park on Beacon St that is inexplicable. However, they have used at least three parking spaces adjacent to Beacon St to build condos and a hotel on, and there was a time when the town discussed building a hotel on the parking space that still exists behind the arcade.

The theory of drivers, bikers and walkers being more careful in &quot;shared space&quot; sounds utopian. In the situation in Germany, the opposite happened: bikers simply did not care if you were walking on their strip and acted accordingly.  It was your fault:  You were supposed to know the rules.  

I liked your description on &quot;seeing a lovable bike lane&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the permission to park on Beacon St that is inexplicable. However, they have used at least three parking spaces adjacent to Beacon St to build condos and a hotel on, and there was a time when the town discussed building a hotel on the parking space that still exists behind the arcade.</p>
<p>The theory of drivers, bikers and walkers being more careful in &#8220;shared space&#8221; sounds utopian. In the situation in Germany, the opposite happened: bikers simply did not care if you were walking on their strip and acted accordingly.  It was your fault:  You were supposed to know the rules.  </p>
<p>I liked your description on &#8220;seeing a lovable bike lane&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: ng</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2009/04/03/love-at-first-sight/#comment-801</link>
		<dc:creator>ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 13:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting about Beacon Street!  Now if they&#039;d only follow Alameda&#039;s lead (isn&#039;t California supposed to be the trend setter) and reduce Beacon to just one lane for cars!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting about Beacon Street!  Now if they&#8217;d only follow Alameda&#8217;s lead (isn&#8217;t California supposed to be the trend setter) and reduce Beacon to just one lane for cars!</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2009/04/03/love-at-first-sight/#comment-798</link>
		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 12:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  Beautiful.  I think your theory about wanting to slow traffic and allow for left turns etc. must be right.  I wonder also if there used to be parking on that road, and if they also wanted to get rid of the free parking (I never read that guy&#039;s book about how free parking is one of the great evil incentives of our time, but it sounded good).  Ruth and ng, did you know that Beacon Street, as originally designed (by Olmstead?) and built, used to have bike lanes?  Those lanes were, according to the display in the CC library, removed to make room for curbside parking.  Now, many decades later, there are again bike lanes, if only the lowliest kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  Beautiful.  I think your theory about wanting to slow traffic and allow for left turns etc. must be right.  I wonder also if there used to be parking on that road, and if they also wanted to get rid of the free parking (I never read that guy&#8217;s book about how free parking is one of the great evil incentives of our time, but it sounded good).  Ruth and ng, did you know that Beacon Street, as originally designed (by Olmstead?) and built, used to have bike lanes?  Those lanes were, according to the display in the CC library, removed to make room for curbside parking.  Now, many decades later, there are again bike lanes, if only the lowliest kind.</p>
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		<title>By: dc</title>
		<link>http://www.fragmentaryevidence.com/2009/04/03/love-at-first-sight/#comment-792</link>
		<dc:creator>dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 07:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;ng:&lt;/strong&gt; I see where you could get that impression, since I&#039;ve highlighted some good aspects of Alameda&#039;s street design and some bad aspects of Oakland&#039;s. That&#039;s probably not entirely fair to Oakland, however. While Oakland is still very car-oriented, there has been some progress here too, including new bike lanes and bike racks, more pedestrian-friendly street designs and crosswalks, etc. Construction crews are currently working along Lakeshore Avenue, and the plan is to expand the park next to Lake Merritt, block Lakeshore Ave. at one end so it&#039;s not a through street, reduce car lanes 4 to 2, and add bike lanes. That&#039;s as ambitious as anything I&#039;ve come across in Alameda, although it is taking years for the work to get done.

If Alameda is &quot;ahead of the game,&quot; it is probably in implementation rather than planning. Oakland has an impressive &quot;pedestrian master plan&quot; and &quot;bicycle master plan,&quot; but when it comes to actually getting anything done, Oakland&#039;s government is dysfunctional, its bureaucracy is mismanaged, and its finances are a disaster. I don&#039;t follow Alameda politics at all, but just from spending time there, it seems to be run pretty smoothly and effectively (they clean the sidewalks, they enforce traffic laws, they fix potholes, and so on).

I&#039;m sure a lot of the difference comes from Alameda being a smaller city, and a city without Oakland&#039;s resource-draining social problems, but the contrast can be pretty stark when you go back and forth between the two.

&lt;strong&gt;Ruth:&lt;/strong&gt; That&#039;s interesting. As you say, the residents of Hannover are probably used to that arrangement, so it doesn&#039;t faze them at all. There&#039;s actually &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a school of thought known as Shared Space&lt;/a&gt; which says, counterintuitively, that it is actually safer on small streets in urban centers to allow bikes and pedestrians, and even cars, to share one undivided surface instead of separating them onto different lanes or levels. The theory is that if you make people share the space, it forces everyone to pay closer attention, take responsibility for their behavior, and to use more care as they negotiate their way down the road. Giving cars their own lanes, and bicycles their own lanes, and pedestrians their own area, is basically like giving everyone permission to be oblivious to their surroundings, and ends up being less safe for everyone.

Many cities in Northern Europe are way ahead of us in thinking through these things. I highly recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazine/articles/2008/08/10/the_future_of_crossing_the_street/?page=full&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this Boston Globe article about some of these issues.&lt;/a&gt; There are similar debates, by the way, about whether it is better to create bike lanes, or to have bikes share the same lanes that cars use. Some studies have apparently shown that most bike lanes, unless they are separated from car lanes by physical barriers, give cyclists a false sense of security, but don&#039;t in fact make them any safer. I haven&#039;t seen the studies myself, so I don&#039;t know the details. (Berkeley has taken an entirely different approach, dispensing with bike lanes entirely and creating &quot;Bicycle Boulevards&quot; on side streets instead. The city erects obstructions to block or slow car traffic on those streets, and marks them very prominently as bicycle routes---seems to work pretty well!)

&lt;strong&gt;Peter:&lt;/strong&gt; That photo was taken at the intersection of Fernside Boulevard and Washington Court, looking east on Fernside toward Lincoln Middle School. That spot is about a block or two east of where Fernside meets Otis Drive and the bridge to Bay Farm Island, at the southeastern end of Alameda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>ng:</strong> I see where you could get that impression, since I&#8217;ve highlighted some good aspects of Alameda&#8217;s street design and some bad aspects of Oakland&#8217;s. That&#8217;s probably not entirely fair to Oakland, however. While Oakland is still very car-oriented, there has been some progress here too, including new bike lanes and bike racks, more pedestrian-friendly street designs and crosswalks, etc. Construction crews are currently working along Lakeshore Avenue, and the plan is to expand the park next to Lake Merritt, block Lakeshore Ave. at one end so it&#8217;s not a through street, reduce car lanes 4 to 2, and add bike lanes. That&#8217;s as ambitious as anything I&#8217;ve come across in Alameda, although it is taking years for the work to get done.</p>
<p>If Alameda is &#8220;ahead of the game,&#8221; it is probably in implementation rather than planning. Oakland has an impressive &#8220;pedestrian master plan&#8221; and &#8220;bicycle master plan,&#8221; but when it comes to actually getting anything done, Oakland&#8217;s government is dysfunctional, its bureaucracy is mismanaged, and its finances are a disaster. I don&#8217;t follow Alameda politics at all, but just from spending time there, it seems to be run pretty smoothly and effectively (they clean the sidewalks, they enforce traffic laws, they fix potholes, and so on).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure a lot of the difference comes from Alameda being a smaller city, and a city without Oakland&#8217;s resource-draining social problems, but the contrast can be pretty stark when you go back and forth between the two.</p>
<p><strong>Ruth:</strong> That&#8217;s interesting. As you say, the residents of Hannover are probably used to that arrangement, so it doesn&#8217;t faze them at all. There&#8217;s actually <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space" rel="nofollow">a school of thought known as Shared Space</a> which says, counterintuitively, that it is actually safer on small streets in urban centers to allow bikes and pedestrians, and even cars, to share one undivided surface instead of separating them onto different lanes or levels. The theory is that if you make people share the space, it forces everyone to pay closer attention, take responsibility for their behavior, and to use more care as they negotiate their way down the road. Giving cars their own lanes, and bicycles their own lanes, and pedestrians their own area, is basically like giving everyone permission to be oblivious to their surroundings, and ends up being less safe for everyone.</p>
<p>Many cities in Northern Europe are way ahead of us in thinking through these things. I highly recommend <a href="http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazine/articles/2008/08/10/the_future_of_crossing_the_street/?page=full" rel="nofollow">this Boston Globe article about some of these issues.</a> There are similar debates, by the way, about whether it is better to create bike lanes, or to have bikes share the same lanes that cars use. Some studies have apparently shown that most bike lanes, unless they are separated from car lanes by physical barriers, give cyclists a false sense of security, but don&#8217;t in fact make them any safer. I haven&#8217;t seen the studies myself, so I don&#8217;t know the details. (Berkeley has taken an entirely different approach, dispensing with bike lanes entirely and creating &#8220;Bicycle Boulevards&#8221; on side streets instead. The city erects obstructions to block or slow car traffic on those streets, and marks them very prominently as bicycle routes&#8212;seems to work pretty well!)</p>
<p><strong>Peter:</strong> That photo was taken at the intersection of Fernside Boulevard and Washington Court, looking east on Fernside toward Lincoln Middle School. That spot is about a block or two east of where Fernside meets Otis Drive and the bridge to Bay Farm Island, at the southeastern end of Alameda.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 03:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what intersection is this near?</description>
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